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(Copyright 2024) by Vance (Terryville, Connecticut) and Laura Lee (Bismarck, North Dakota)
Vance writes: As I get older, I have many more Questions than answers, what did Jesus mean in Matthew 19:4…have you not read that he made them male and female I noticed he did not include himself sounds like he is talking about the father. Laura writes: Mat 19:4 And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female, (KJV) In Mat. 19:4 Christ is speaking as in a “third person” which is a way a lot of writers write. In third-person point of view, the most common choice for writers, the narrator refers to all characters with third-person pronouns like ‘he’, ‘she’, or ‘they’… In other words, the narrator is not a character in a story and is a separate entity. (From the Internet) Christ is quoting from: Gen.1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. (KJV) In context Gen. 1:27 is talking about how God made one male and one female to be joined together in marriage. This is how God meant for marriage to be from the beginning. As far as who he is in either verse, it is Christ in both, because Christ is the creator God. Col 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: Col 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: Col 1:17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. Col 1:18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence. (KJV) Vance writes: Acts 2:22…a man attested by God to you by miracles, wonders, and signs which God did through him in your midst…I noticed God is working in him. Laura writes: Act 2:22 Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know: (KJV) God is in Charge, but Christ did the miracles. God the Father and Christ are one in purpose. Vance writes: Reading 1Corinthians 15 reading the chapter the son will be subjected to the Father 2Corinthians 5:19 that is God was in Christ reconciling the world to himself… Laura writes: 2Co 5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation. (KJV) The Father is in Christ just like he is in those who have been called through the Father’s Holy Spirit. Vance writes: One chapter and verse that blows my mind is this one and I could keep on going. He completed his mission rose from the dead then says this in John 20:17 …I am ascending to my Father and your Father and my God and your God. What if he meant exactly what he said to me he is saying the Father is God. Laura writes: Joh 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God. (KJV) Yes, the Father is God and Christ is God, two God beings. Vance writes: One more thing in John 1:1-9 our so-called king James bibles say he. I had a Geneva bible which I gave away from verse 1 through 9 says it not he until verse 10. My question is who was the translator that translated it into he. Laura writes: Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. Joh 1:2 The same was in the beginning with God. Joh 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. Joh 1:4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men. Joh 1:5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not. Joh 1:6 There was a man sent from God, whose name was John. Joh 1:7 The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe. Joh 1:8 He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light. Joh 1:9 That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world. (KJV) Joh 1:1 In the beginning was that Word, and that Word was with God, and that Word was God. Joh 1:2 This same was in the beginning with God. Joh 1:3 All things were made by it, and without it was made nothing that was made. Joh 1:4 In it was life, and that life was the light of men. Joh 1:5 And that light shineth in the darkenesse, and the darkenesse comprehended it not. Joh 1:6 There was a man sent from God, whose name was Iohn. Joh 1:7 This same came for a witnesse, to beare witnesse of that light, that all men through him might beleeue. Joh 1:8 He was not that light but was sent to beare witnesse of that light. Joh 1:9 This was that true light, which lighteth euery man that commeth into the world. (Geneva) I think what you are zeroing in on is verse 3 and 4. From the internet: The King James Bible was first published in 1611, the King James Bible spread quickly throughout Europe. Because of the wealth of resources devoted to the project, it was the most faithful and scholarly translation to date—not to mention the most accessible. The Geneva Bible – During the religious persecutions of Queen Mary’s reign, English Puritans sought refuge in Geneva, Switzerland, and wanted to produce an annotated Bible for the use of their families while in exile. In 1557, William Whittingham completed a New Testament, which included copious notes in the margins. It used Roman type instead of the traditional “Black Letter” for the first time in English Scriptures. Also for the first time, it had numbered verse divisions, following earlier French, Latin, Greek and Hebrew editions. I do not know who changed “him to it” or “it to him”, however the most accurate translation of the bible is supposed to be the Codex Sinaiticus and it agrees with the King James Bible. The only bible I found other than the Geneva Bible which used the word “it” instead of “him” was the Bishops Bible. 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God. 3 All things came into being through him, and without him came into being not one thing that is in being. 4 In him is life, and the life was the light of men. 5 And the light shines in darkness, and the darkness comprehended it not. 6 There came a man, sent from God; his name was John: 7 this man came for a testimony, that he might testify of the light, that all through him might believe. 8 He was not the light but came that he might testify of the light. 9 That was the true light, which, coming into the world, gives light to every man. (Codex Sinaiticus) Vance writes: You have info that was very good, thank you. What’s your take on this. Laura writes: This is my take on it, I hope it helps. ——————————————————————————————————————- See Laura Lee’s other articles at: Lee, Laura – The “New” Church of God Messenger (church-of-god-bismarck.org) Web Site: https://church-of-god-bismarck.org/ ——————————————————————————————————————-

Vance writes:
As I get older, I have many more Questions than answers, what did Jesus mean in Matthew 19:4…have you not read that he made them male and female I noticed he did not include himself sounds like he is talking about the father.

Laura writes:
Mat 19:4 And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female, (KJV)

In Mat. 19:4 Christ is speaking as in a “third person” which is a way a lot of writers write.

In third-person point of view, the most common choice for writers, the narrator refers to all characters with third-person pronouns like ‘he’, ‘she’, or ‘they’… In other words, the narrator is not a character in a story and is a separate entity. (From the Internet)

Christ is quoting from:

Gen.1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. (KJV)

In context Gen. 1:27 is talking about how God made one male and one female to be joined together in marriage. This is how God meant for marriage to be from the beginning.

As far as who he is in either verse, it is Christ in both, because Christ is the creator God.

Col 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: Col 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: Col 1:17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. Col 1:18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence. (KJV)

Vance writes:
Acts 2:22…a man attested by God to you by miracles, wonders, and signs which God did through him in your midst…I noticed God is working in him.

Laura writes:
Act 2:22 Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know: (KJV)

God is in Charge, but Christ did the miracles. God the Father and Christ are one in purpose.

Vance writes:
Reading 1Corinthians 15 reading the chapter the son will be subjected to the Father 2Corinthians 5:19 that is God was in Christ reconciling the world to himself…

Laura writes:
2Co 5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation. (KJV)

The Father is in Christ just like he is in those who have been called through the Father’s Holy Spirit.

Vance writes:
One chapter and verse that blows my mind is this one and I could keep on going. He completed his mission rose from the dead then says this in John 20:17 …I am ascending to my Father and your Father and my God and your God. What if he meant exactly what he said to me he is saying the Father is God.

Laura writes:
Joh 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God. (KJV)

Yes, the Father is God and Christ is God, two God beings.

Vance writes:
One more thing in John 1:1-9 our so-called king James bibles say he. I had a Geneva bible which I gave away from verse 1 through 9 says it not he until verse 10. My question is who was the translator that translated it into he.

Laura writes:
Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. Joh 1:2 The same was in the beginning with God. Joh 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. Joh 1:4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men. Joh 1:5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not. Joh 1:6 There was a man sent from God, whose name was John. Joh 1:7 The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe. Joh 1:8 He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light. Joh 1:9 That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world. (KJV)

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was that Word, and that Word was with God, and that Word was God. Joh 1:2 This same was in the beginning with God. Joh 1:3 All things were made by it, and without it was made nothing that was made. Joh 1:4 In it was life, and that life was the light of men. Joh 1:5 And that light shineth in the darkenesse, and the darkenesse comprehended it not. Joh 1:6 There was a man sent from God, whose name was Iohn. Joh 1:7 This same came for a witnesse, to beare witnesse of that light, that all men through him might beleeue. Joh 1:8 He was not that light but was sent to beare witnesse of that light. Joh 1:9 This was that true light, which lighteth euery man that commeth into the world. (Geneva)

I think what you are zeroing in on is verse 3 and 4.

From the internet:
The King James Bible was first published in 1611, the King James Bible spread quickly throughout Europe. Because of the wealth of resources devoted to the project, it was the most faithful and scholarly translation to date—not to mention the most accessible.

The Geneva Bible – During the religious persecutions of Queen Mary’s reign, English Puritans sought refuge in Geneva, Switzerland, and wanted to produce an annotated Bible for the use of their families while in exile. In 1557, William Whittingham completed a New Testament, which included copious notes in the margins. It used Roman type instead of the traditional “Black Letter” for the first time in English Scriptures. Also for the first time, it had numbered verse divisions, following earlier French, Latin, Greek and Hebrew editions.

I do not know who changed “him to it” or “it to him”, however the most accurate translation of the bible is supposed to be the Codex Sinaiticus and it agrees with the King James Bible. The only bible I found other than the Geneva Bible which used the word “it” instead of “him” was the Bishops Bible.

1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God. 3 All things came into being through him, and without him came into being not one thing that is in being. 4 In him is life, and the life was the light of men. 5 And the light shines in darkness, and the darkness comprehended it not. 6 There came a man, sent from God; his name was John: 7 this man came for a testimony, that he might testify of the light, that all through him might believe. 8 He was not the light but came that he might testify of the light. 9 That was the true light, which, coming into the world, gives light to every man. (Codex Sinaiticus)
Vance writes:
You have info that was very good, thank you. What’s your take on this.

Laura writes:
This is my take on it, I hope it helps.

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See Laura Lee’s other articles at:
Lee, Laura – The “New” Church of God Messenger (church-of-god-bismarck.org)

Web Site:
https://church-of-god-bismarck.org/
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